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June 05, 2006
Success of Reservation: Tamil Nadu Health Care
Ravishankar Arunachalam, a former faculty at IIT Madras and social activist follows up his first article (see below) with more evidence of its success. Part I: Mathematics of Reservations
While that might work in an ideal caste-less society, we have to acknowledge that caste is still a huge factor governing societal relationships today. Those who think that "caste is not a factor in urban India anymore", need only look at the matrimonial columns of any popular newspaper.
Part II: The Success of Reservations
But the survey looks not only at indices like birth rate and malnutrition, but also health-care delivery. The state-wise report confirms that TN performs better than average in these factors too, for example in percentage of women who have had neo-natal care. I am not saying this is due to government doctors and reservations. The effectiveness of the health care delivery system depends on administrators, support staff and many other factors (it is pertinent to mention that the 69% reservation is followed not only in admissions to medical colleges, but also in nursing schools as well as recruitment of govt staffs). Still, there are over 8000 government doctors in the various PHCs and government Hospitals of Tamilnadu and surely they do play a role.
And if it is shown that many people have actually benefited from reservation system, the question is "then why do we need reservations?". The point is both statements can be true, and both conclusions invalid. It could just be that the initial gap is so bad that while reservations have been able to make some dent, they are still needed to make the system more equitable. One can go back and forth on this, and it depends on who has a larger share of the "burden of proof". We have to first note that status-quo is so blatantly unfair to many castes, and vested interests are determined to keep it so. In such a situation, asking for clear evidence without making alternative proposals, is a tacit support for status-quo. Shouldn’t the burden of proof be on those who are against reservations to collect data where reservations have already been implemented, and make a case for why it is not desirable?
Dr. Ravishankar may be contacted at aDOTravishankarATgmailDOTcom Related Articles: Is Caste Still an Issue? Reservations Need Revamping Where is Rehabilitation? Tribal Campaign for Survival and Dignity Ruminating on Reservations Posted by collective at June 05, 2006 10:27 AM Comments
I am not very convinced about the logic behind "no bridges collapsing and no patients dying" arguements. The necessary mental qualifications needed to be a engineer or a doctor are much lower than those who get the opportunity to be one. So - just because we dont have any bridges collapsing doesnt mean that the job has been done efffectively and efficiently. Its just that there are enough redundancies built in to the system to make sure that it does not happen. Here is a slightly polished version of a letter I sent to Outlook a few days ago. One, the discussion on caste based reservation in "Wrong Route, Right Direction", by Y Yadav and S Deshpande in a recent issue of Outlook comes to life in two numbers taken from India's National Sample Survey: 253 out of 1000 urban, upper caste Hindus are graduates; the corresponding number for urban, OBC Hindus is 86. It would be hard not to contend, as the authors have, that the same sort of thing must be true of job holders in the Indian private sector. Two, a different, but also recent, "Outlook" article interviewed a Harvard Prof. on Affirmative Action in the US. So, it will not be out of place to look for further enlightenment in US Census figures. From the category "Educational Attainment" in the 2000 US Census (see: www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs, Figure 2), we find that 15.5 percent of all US citizens are graduates. Thus urban, upper caste Hindus do much better, and OBC Hindus much worse, than the average US citizen. Did someone say we were a poor country? Disaggregated figures for whites, blacks, Latinos, Asians, males, females, etc. are available in the US census. I have not cared to track them down. One does not have to be a genius to guess that they will be similarly skewed between WASP's and Latinos, or that Japanese-Americans perform substantially better than almost every other US group. meher engineer
I will not be surprised if Ravishankar Arunachalam defends Nazis and justifies the genocide of Jews by arguing that German science and industry leaped forward during Hitler's regime.He may argue that genocide is a small This is Comment on the article "Success of Reservation: Tamil Nadu Health Care by Ravishankar Arunachalam" : 1. Mr. Ravishankar's contention that " FCs, who form the "others", still get the bulk of the 31% open-quota seats even though their population percentage is only 13%" is erraneous. Bulk of the 31% Open Competion is mainly cornered by the OBCs and MBC only apart from the 50% Reservation earmarked for them. FCs are able to get less than 5% of the 31% seats in the open competition. Please read the following article as a proof of my statement : http://www.hindu.com/2004/08/23/stories/2004082308900400.htm 2. Mr.Ravishankar's contention that 87% of people of Tamil Nadu deserve reservation itself is highly questionable. Reason: Is Tamil Nadu such a socially and Economically under developed state to have 87% people covered under the "Reservation Umbrella ?" Successive ruling parties of Tamil Nadu have, in order to increase their vote bank, included many communities which do not deserve any reseravtion and taken the figure to an whooping 87%. Infact less than 50% of Tamil Nadu population only need reservation and around 40% of the reserved are dubiously enjoying the benefits of reservation. Those communities should be removed from the reservation umbrella after a thorogh study. 3. Nobody is against the reservation. Everone wants the reservation to be a justifyable one. The reservation ceiling of 50% as stipulated by Hon'ble Supreme Court should be strictly adhered to. 4. The junk of the "creamy Layer" cornering the reservation for BCs and MBcs should be taken out of the reservation umbrella. Posted by: Gan on July 4, 2006 04:18 AMOne cannot say that reservations is the way to integrate society. Does the author imply that people should have reservations based on their caste? Then, if FCs are 13% of population, should only that be available for open quota. I want to have clear data saying how much of the people in reserved list are doing well. The data must include: -Are people coming out of colleges using reservation doing well professionally? What is the percentage of people who are succesful and what is the yearly variation in this? This is my comments for Ravishankar Arunachalam, 1)His contention that majority of the 31% open competition is cornered by forward castes is a blatant lie. He is trying to twist the facts. Actual position is in Tamilnadu only 1.8-3% of the Forward castes get admission in colleges as against 13% of their population. See Reservation in India in wikipedia. is this guy an idiot or wat? who is he trying to delude....and u have another moron quoting this article to justify reservation....ppl do ur research first before u air ur high and mighty views!!! I appreciate the author in his analysis. His work is very genuine and unbiased. Hurt the system of discrimination where it hurts it most. In India it is the caste system. Elsewhere it could be somethingelse. Reservation is an important tool for development. Currently the percentages seems to be low. Like just 69% for the 87% population. It should be increased to 87%. Then how do we bring in the element of merit ? It is quite possible. We must open the remaining 13% for merit and merit only. We must open the borders and invite international applications. We must get the best of the best to guide the rest of the 87% to the best place if at all they were not meritorious. A day must come when people even fear and tremble to talk about the superiority of their parents and forefathers. The very inheritance of the wealth, genes and associations should be seen as a liablity. Then we can see the real development of India. At the social level the practice of arranged marriage should become obsolete. Involvement of parents in the marriage of their kith and kin should be discouraged. I also recommend the award of upper-caste sur-names to people who are not of High-caste. For example a dalit must be awarded xyz Sharma or xyz Roy. The tittle should be made official and public. Anyone who refers to him must refer to him so else should be penalized. That way the impact will be real social and after sometime the caste identity itself will become irrelevant. Matrimonials are the notorious breeders of castes and clan. Advertizing based on castes should be heavily taxed. Also the people who are married within the same caste should be taxed for life. This is just my 2 cents. Posted by: anand on February 7, 2007 06:52 PMHi, While I agree with most points of the author i am posting this to just reply to the guy called Anand. Anand either ur moron or just a fanatic. India is democracy and one should have the choice for marrying irrespective of whether it is caste based or not. If you impose such restrictions then it wont take long before India itself is disintegrated. Talk sense and don t sound like some idiot. Regards. Ruchit, Germany Posted by: ruchit on June 4, 2007 05:08 AMI dont care two hoots about what the author had to say, but I am writing this in response to the moron "Anand" who seems to have his head screwed the wrong way. Post a comment
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